Ethnic cleansing in the Israeli Negev

these are events happening in some imaginary backward uncivilized world

hey are, imagine sitting on your local beach as some migrants set up a small village next to your summer home...crazy.

Desert doesn't sound like beach to me. Did they gave these displaced people a better place to move in or just left them homeless under the sky ?

Desert doesn't sound like beach to me.

Sand is sand.

Generations of these people had lived there since before the founding of the state of Israel.

Israel & Judea were established millennia ago.

I'm not going to get into the god-as-realtor discussion.

How about the pure Historic FACT that Jews were there first? Period.

Jews were there first?

Fact that Zionist militant extremist racist Jews were the first illegal occupiers of a peaceful land since 1948 called Palestine

Really is any wonder why the Arabs don't believe in Democratic system. Israelo calling itself "democratic nation" yet terrorist israelo is not acting what secularity is all about.

peaceful land since 1948 called Palestine

Peace? Palestine? Have you no concept of history? The Holy Land is one of the most fought over pieces of real estate in the world. Besides the fact that there was always a large Jewish minority in the area.

How about the pure Historic FACT that Jews were there first? Period.

Tell that to the Canaanites, the Phoenecians, the Greeks.... Exclamation point.

Meloney: re 2.3

How anyone could watch this video and not be enraged and moved to tears and sobbing is beyond me.

I have watched the video of the Rachel Corrie demolitions and death and Video of Tristain Anderson, and of Cast Lead and other destruction by Israel. I have seen video of the invasions of Lebanon, and of israeli soldiers breaking the hands and arms of Palestinian boys with rifle butts.

But for some reason this just seems worse. It doesn't even seem passionate. There is no energy in it. It is destruction for the sake of misery and theft. An ugly scam as if some old people were being bilked out of their life savings and homes by some snake oil salesman who kick the dog and drown the kittens before they tromp on a rosebud.

It is cruel and calculating. Cold, and efficient in a way that reminds me of other unspeakable atrocities.

There is a silence about it that is indescribably horrifying.

It seems like that spoof movie storm ship troopers (I think that was the name) pure and deadly fascism. An out of control Fascist government at its worst. I am sickened.

How anyone could watch this video and not be enraged and moved to tears and sobbing is beyond me

Exactly. Yet the jews want us to feel sorry for them. If someone says that holocaust was nothing and no one should be enraged and be upset, isreal would shoot us really.

Basically, to terrorist israel and Radical jews, killing and destroying the Arab Palestinese for no reason is legal and 'defensive" which is absolutely Oxymoronic.

Nothing,

but Simple.

Basically, to terrorist israel and Radical jews, killing and destroying the Arab Palestinese for no reason is legal and 'defensive" which is absolutely Oxymoronic.

Makes me ashamed to be an American as we are supporting this kind of fascisti behavior that can really compare nicely to other extreme examples of fascism.

Just thinking that getting "living space" for themselves with the displacement or death of those in the way is justifiable is horrifying and should strike rage and action in the hearts of all people who remember WWII.

"Never again" should mean , never again. Not to anyone, not anywhere.

People who fought the fascists in wwii were of all races, religions and colors if they were American. And I saw a post saying it was ok to put the Japanese Americans and BTW many German Americans into camps during that war and steal their land (farm land in California worth kazillions btw) while they were in there. Well it was not ok--it was wrong.

We paid a price in our soul for that. We have also apologized for this shame as a nation.

As I said before the 20th century should have taught us many lessons in how not to behave as human beings.

Jewish people are supposed to be the civilised ones

Would you let a small village of homeless wanderers sprout up next to your place, with no running water or proper sewage?

Would that be civilized?

I am sure they did not transfer these displaced people to nice apartments/settlements built by israel on occupied and annexed Palestenien land. That is only reserved for immigrants from europe and west.

Surely Sounds at the end of day a very racist aperthied attitude of israeli authorities towards its minorities who were actullay a majority and real owners of the land.

Garrison, with all due respect the Bedouins have been there since time out of mind, and have every right to live there, they are Israelis Citizens and yet they were pushed asside as if they were nothing. They didn't just sprout up as you so blithely state and if you read the article that was written by a Resident of the near by town of Be'er Sheva you would know that. The blatant anti-arab bias demonstrated by so many of the knee jerk supporters of Israel is telling. Just as the anti-Palestinian extremist attitude, never mind they are the same ethnic group as the Jews, just followers of other religions, Chrisitianity, Islam and others.

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

Fight israelo with all your might no matter what. Allaho Akbar.

Simple. Salam.

SPECTACULARARAB your comment in 3.4 is the Palestinian/Arab/Islamic belief which is exactly why there can be no peace in that region.

Oh yeah leo katz: it would seem to me the video proves otherwise. You watch something like the two videos posted in this seed and blame the Palestinian/Arab/Islamic "beliefs in the full face of the putrid, god awful, criminal, cruel Israeli action you just witnessed?

Hey I want some of what you have been smoking.

Leo Katz, Really did you even see the video that Meloey posted? Any feelings?

Nowhere did I say "Kill". I said Fight but kill only when necessary and only going after the targets unlike israelo who kill randomly for no reason at all seriously.

Still no real feelings?

So, well..

You think that rejection of foreign partitioning in 1948 dissolves Palestinian rights to land. Before 1948 only 6-10% of land had been purchased and yet a state was formed giving Israel half of the land in question as well as control of both entities. You don't blow rights to exist because you have been shafted. The terrorist activity of the Hamas, well matched by the terrorist activity of the Mossad does not define the people of Israel or Palestine.

Bear:
calling the Palestinians "Palis' is a ethnic slur in case you didn't know, I am reminding you of the Coh. We don't want people using these sorts of terms on here. It is ugly enough.

"Hebes" short for Hebrews would also be a slur.

The man speaks truth. Though most people won't admit it, if they were born into the same situation the Israelis are they would be doing much the same thing.

Kevin,

Those people looked really threatening. They sent high school students before the heavily armed police. Yup, they were a real threat. Citizens even. Wow, can't be a bigger threat than that. And their compound looked like an absolute cesspit, oh wait, that was after the goon squad got through with it. There is more than one way to deal with refuse that is not only more more environmentally friendly, but also useful as well than a sewage system.

Oh, and people were on this land long before there were any of the recognized religions of today. Judaism, Christianity, etc are recent developments when taken into context of the human time line. The Bedouin have been in the area since a time that predates all of those religions- traveling the area they now chose to live in as nomadic tribes does not diminish their claim to the land.

And I have never heard anyone outside of the Israeli government, and GWB Jr, state that Israeli settlements are legal. The UN and every other country have condemned all of the Israeli settlements.

Yes Meloney, this is Max Blumenthal real and live article on how Israeli high school "students" enjoy their rewinding entertainment "Summer Camp Of Destruction", in assisting The Razing Of A Bedouin Town. That is how the new Israeli generation is raised, on hatred to the Arab others.

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As for the present condition of Israeli democracy, it is essential to consider the way in which the state pits its own citizens against one another, enlisting the Jewish majority as conquerers while targeting the Arab others as, in the words of Zionist founding father Chaim Weizmann, "obstacles that had to be cleared on a difficult path." Historically, only failing states have encouraged such corrosive dynamics to take hold. That is why the scenes from al-Arakib, from the demolished homes to the uprooted gardens to the grinning teens who joined the mayhem, can be viewed as much more than the destruction of a village. They are snapshots of the phenomenon that is laying Israeli society as a whole to waste.

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n the words of Zionist founding father Chaim Weizmann, "obstacles that had to be cleared on a difficult path." Historically, only failing states have encouraged such corrosive dynamics to take hold. That is why the scenes from al-Arakib, from the demolished homes to the uprooted gardens to the grinning teens who joined the mayhem, can be viewed as much more than the destruction of a village. They are snapshots of the phenomenon that is laying Israeli society as a whole to waste.

this concept has been condemned by the world since the 20th century.

"living room", and 'Hitler youth", have been rightly condemned by the nations of the world. The horrors of young people indoctrinated in cruelty while having the upper hand, while being the big bully, have been shown to be the ugliness that they are. I have seen so many posts by people who are pro Israeli saying that Palestinian children have been raised to hate Jews. I have seen the suicide bombers. To me that looks like desperation. This looks like a cat playing with a mouse in a bathtub because its fun and it can.

Puke.

Rightly so bealdomourji, and they are planting the same crazy ideas in the minds and practices of their youth, so they become monsters when they grow up.

AmericanMan,

That is great- use the Bible as a context for the borders of Israel. And what if you are Muslim, or any other religion, and don't believe in the Bible? Sorry, your beliefs don't matter because we and Israel have God on our side? Nope, no reason what-so-ever for anyone wanting to start a religious war with us.

Frankly, the religious Right scares me more than Obama's domestic policies when they start using the Bible to support America's close ties with Israel.

That is great- use the Bible as a context for the borders of Israel. And what if you are Muslim, or any other religion, and don't believe in the Bible?

Ronin - The Bible is the Word of God and if it states that the land between the Med. Sea and the Jordan River belongs to the Jews, then it belongs to the Jews. Period. Nobody else has a right to live there.

As for the Muslims, since they don't believe in the Bible, I don't care what they think. They need to go somewhere else to practice their beliefs and stop bothering non-Muslims.

Frankly, the religious Right scares me more than Obama's domestic policies

The "religious right" is simply Americans who are standing up for America's heritage and the laws upon which it is based. How is that more scary than a man who wants to turn American into a Soviet Union style socialist state?

Some 25% of Israeli citizens are not Jewish. This action is a clear sign to them they are at continued risk of being marginalized by the majority.

Meloney - Those people need to be deported to other countries. Israel is a Jewish state, and therefore, non-Jews have no right to be there.

AmericanMan:

How embarrassing. You spout outright racial slurs and don't feel the slightest compunction to curtail your spouting tongue. I am American and I don't want to be associated with fascist ideology thanks. American in your screen name does not represent the ideology of The American people.

Ahh Kevin, as usual you retreat to your thuggish response, Israel is the biggest thief and thug, what are you gonna do??

Keep protesting Kevin, that's what, keep working for the justice for the victims of Israel's multiple crimes. Meanwhile I'm perfectly aware you will be cheerleading those crimes.

Israel is a thief nation, a criminal nation, an apartheid nation, but you keep cheerleading for the criminals Kevin.

Wheel,

My old friend! I like Israel. You support Hamas, Fatah, PA, Hezbollah, and all the terrorists.

We are not likely to change our thinking. So, the outcome becomes important, not the journey. It's very unlikely the Arabs will make their claims stick. It's likely they will get shot in the face for their efforts. You picked the losing cause to support. Israel will be telling stories of the Arab terrorists' crimes at a fine Jerusalem restaurant long into the future.

Kevin, as usual you're wrong, but that's no surprise eh? I support treating the people of Palestine legally and I support Israel not behaving like a thug nation. Of course, to your myopic vision there is no difference between opposing Israel's criminal behavior and supporting Hamas, typical simple minded response Kevin.

Wheel,

I was not dismissing your ideology, I am doubting your confidence in the outcome. The Arabs have no chance. They have not the competence. World opinion will not carry the day for them.

We can argue ideology, right and wrong, first guy who threw a stone, all day and into the night. At the end of the day, the Arabs will end up picking their faces out of the sand because they persist in the credo, "Israel has no right to exist." What do they expect, treats?

Kevin, I notice that among other despicable smears you attempt to smear all 'arabs' in your statements. We're talking about the Palestinian people Kevin, not all 'arabs'.

We can argue about many things Kevin, but what there is no argument about is Israel's crimes and criminal intent. I notice Kevin that is one thing you assiduously avoid with all your smears, bullying threats and cheerleading for the apatheid and thieving nation of Israel.

Wheel,

I'm so sorry. I certainly did not mean all Arabs. I only meant those Arabs who subscribe to the philosophy that all Israelis should die, the "Israel has no right to exist," mantra. Those are the Arab terrorist scum about whom I refer. Unfortunately, those nasty Arabs bring a bad name to reasonable, peace-loving, neighborly, nice Arabs.

Anyone who fires a rocket at an apartment building is a lawless terrorist, and he / she deserves to be blown to pieces.

Still avoiding the topic eh Kevin? The ethnic cleansing and theft by that thief nation you cheer for? Want to address that topic Kevin or just spread more smears and lies?

Wheel,

The only hateful documents I see are the PA Charter and others like it. I don't feel compelled to discuss anything else until the language, "Israel has no right to exist, " is removed from the Charter. It's you who avoid that written Hate statement.

Kevin, I just cleaned your clock on this topic on another thread, go there and look at it. And Kevin, the topic is the ethnic cleansing by Israel. Try to stick to the topic Kevin instead of dragging in off topic red herrings.

Wheel,

To you it's about cleaning a viner's clock. To me, it's about cleaning the terrorist Hamas et al clocks. You'll be singing the same tune in ten years, "OH, Poor Us." Israelis will be enjoying Jerusalem and all of Israel. Good for them. Palestinians can live in slums for all I care, it's they who cry for the destruction of Israel. You are out there all by yourself, and it really pisses you off. Feel so strongly? Go fight for Hamas and their donkey cart army. You'll get a bullet in your face too.

Kevin, to me it's about telling the truth, cutting through your bull@!$%# and getting the fact that Israel is a thief and apartheid nation out.

As for your typical lies about me fighting for Hamas, really Kevin, it's all I can expect from you. Kevin, you have yet to post one word that is on topic, you might want to give that a try. So how about it Kevin, are you capable of addressing the topic, ethnic cleansing by Israel or would you rather just spew more lies and smears?

I think your ideas are twisted with the hate of anti-semitism.

Personal attack, reported.

Israel has stolen the land in the west bank and has no more right to it than a car thief has to the car he has stolen even if he's driving it every day.

Thanks for your truthful opinion Kevin, it's just as hate filled as I knew it would be. And gee Kevin, with all that spew and venom still not ONE WORD on topic. How bout that?

Wheel,

You have the wrong topic. We should be talking about fine dining in Jerusalem. There are plenty of refugees in the world. What makes the Palestinians more special than the others?

Personal attack? What's this, if not anti-semitism ... "your bull@!$%# and getting the fact that Israel is a thief and apartheid nation out."

Oh, please.

Melonie,

You are beating a dead horse. Look at the big picture. This is about national survival in the face of enemies who have charters saying they want the destruction of Israel. Israel doesn't care, under those conditions, if the enemy has a slingshot or an RPG, he's going to get shot for holding that point of view.

So you don't have a nervous breakdown from unfulfilled fantasies, I'll give you the same recommendation I gave Wheel, 80 mgs of Citalopram a day.

What's this, if not anti-semitism ... "your bull@!$%# and getting the fact that Israel is a thief and apartheid nation out."

Nothing anti semitic there in the least Kevin. It's a clear statement of truth that you are unable to refute Kevin, that is why you retreat to personal attacks and off topic spew.

Good grief Kevin, it's Sunday. Can't you behave like that righteous, Sunday School teaching Catholic that you say you are at least on the Sabbath? Tsk, tsk. Time to head to confessional young man!!

Let him go on Isabella, a few more drinks and there's no telling what he might let slip.

Posts what clueless kevin writes is what a mentally challenged person would write.

Posts what clueless kevin says that Arabs will get shot is what Nazis would say really.

Nothing,

but,

Simple.

Isabella,

That's really funny, because I did go to confession today. They have confession once a week after the Spanish Mass at 2 PM, thus my hiatus from this debate.

I can't think of a better thing to do with my Sunday than to defend Israel against the lies, terrorism, and hatred of it's twisted enemies. You know, down deep, this really is a religiously driven conflict.

Nah. Deep down, it's a real estate deal gone sour.

Kwisatz Haderach,

Essentially, that too! God gave Abraham the land, and his son by Sarai, Isaac, inherited it. Isaac's older half brother, Ishmael the bastard son of the Egyptian slave Haggai, got screwed out of it. There you have it.

I wasn't aware that any of those folks had real estate licenses.

Sorry, but I don't consult books of mythology where issues of land ownership are concerned.

Kwisatz Haderach,

It's in the oral tradition. I would assume God, primary owner of the land, could give it to whomever He wanted.

I could challenge the contract and say God really gave it to me. That's where we are.

Military strength will enforce the winning contract, just like it always has done. It is decisive, most of the time.

God doesn't exist Kevin. I can see how appealing to a non-existant being for authorization for theft, crimes against humanity and mass murder might appeal to a certain mindset but it's clear that a non-existant being like god is no excuse for Israeli crimes.

I can think of something better to do with your Sundays, condemn Israeli crimes, theft, apartheid and crimes against humanity.

The same god who said: God said to Abraham kill me a son. And told old those dirty old men to go screw slave women, and then told them to kill everyone who got in their way, and then was ok with it when they almost got made extinct by a madman in Europe, and then they planned out how to get the Europeans to give them land that belonged to people in the middle east, that by the 20th century people were really beginning to understand was a bad idea, and then they savaged those people and continue to brutalize them right up til now in the name of that god? Well @!$%# that god. Who would ever listen to something they called a god who acted like that? A nut case who hears voices. That is who.

I used to be Catholic too. Ughhh. Who would follow a pope, the straight from god dude in that religion who harbors pedos, and goes to Africa and tells them condoms will make them go to Hell.

This is not a religious debate. This is a political debate dressed up to look like a religious debate to make it seem legit. Well phooey. It is wrong what Israel is doing to the Bedouins and Palestinians and there may be god in it but no GOOD. I choose to serve Good.

The so called Promised Land Biblical claim is in doubt and never the less mythical. It was brought up by non religious Zionists to incept a rogue state out of religion, what a paradox, and that cow has run out of milk, no more godly real estate claims, finito, zilch! No more billions of American tax payers’ dollars to oppress and dispossess the others, and bring harm to our interests and citizens, god should pay the bill. There are hundreds of races and religions on this earth, and they can claim any rights and special favours from their gods. Let’s stay in the real world here. And anyway, what relates foreign converted Jews from as far as Moldova and Brooklyn to those ancient Hebrews who where gone with the wind over 2000 years ago. Why go too far? The native Palestinians (whose religion is Christendom, Islam or Judaism) have much more chances to be their ancestors than those converted to Judaism of Khazari or Berber origins.

I agree with you there; and it is those very same tax dollars that need to be used to bring Israel into line.

The US supports the Israelis with more international aide than any other country- and that does not include the free military training, cooperation on military hardware development, and additional no interest loans should Israel run short of funds.

Take away the US dollars and who will step into help? About the only country that has the financial clout are the Chinese- who I believe support most of the Muslim world these days.

SoA,

Okay, okay, whatever ... Anti-Zionist. Someone opposed to the political nation of Israel according to the geography God described.

Sorry for the error.

God doesn't exist, any descriptions are only in the mind of the deluded.

I agree with you. we should stop the apartheid act like this

Squidward The Bedouins probably were Jewish 2000 years ago.

No but the Palestinians most assuredly were, the Bedouins were ethnic Arabs, most likely Semitic but not exactly Jewish.

Palestinians most assuredly were

I'm convinced that many Palestinians have some sort of Jewish ancestry. Not that kinda thing should matter. Everybody should have the right of being viewed as a human being.

http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2009/01/shared-genetic-heritage-of-jews-and.html

From my post up above #3.3 the link provides an interesting read on the Genetic relationship between the Jewish and Palestinian people.

At least those jews during ancient time were not European but rather Middle Easterns, if not Arab Palestinese.

Today Middle East is called Arab world. Not going anywhere nor giving in to terrorist israelo. Free Falastine.

From my post up above #3.3 the link provides an interesting read on the Genetic relationship between the Jewish and Palestinian people.

I've also read a great scientific paper on genetic similarities between Palestinians and Jews. I can't find it at the moment, but it might be one of the studies referred to in your link. Great link, btw.